Organic Soy Flour. Soy flour is derived from ground soybeans. It is somewhat similar to coconut flour in that it is quite dry and easily absorbs ingredients. It also has more protein than the keto flours we mentioned above and is an excellent source of dietary fiber. By buying organic soy flour, you can avoid GMO soybeans and the pesticides that are commonly used on them.
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Baking with coconut flour is a little tricky since it absorbs a lot of water. For every 1 cup of coconut flour, you'll need to add 1 cup of water and six eggs. Substitute 1/4 to 1/3 cups of coconut flour for every 1 cup of all-purpose flour. Another option is a blend of 3 parts almond flour to 1 part coconut flour. Coconut flour is a little higher-carb than nut or seed flours with 16 grams of carbohydrates per 1/4 cup.

Thank you, Jillian! Sorry that you had an issue with sticking. I use this pan and they slid out effortlessly for me. I did grease the pan before adding the batter. Could that have been the issue? Or, maybe they needed to be cooked a little longer? Letting them cool in the pan a bit before removing also helps. I’m sure they’d be delicious in muffin pans, too. I’m glad you still liked them!
Hello there. Thanks for sharing this recipe. I am sooo excited to try it. In fact, I have just ordered some almond flour. I have a question regarding eggs. The recipe calls for four. Can I use two instead, and substitute with flax eggs for the other two? I have a lot of flax in my cupboard and I am looking for creative ways to use it up. Also, it is nice to be able to utilise ingredients already in my cupboard. I am trying to get out of the habit of buying new ingredients for everything new recipe I want to try. Anyway, looking forward to your response. Thank you.

A Cochrane systematic review in 2018 found and analysed eleven randomized controlled trials of ketogenic diet in people with epilepsy for whom drugs failed to control their seizures.[2] Six of the trials compared a group assigned to a ketogenic diet with a group not assigned to one. The other trials compared types of diets or ways of introducing them to make them more tolerable.[2] In the largest trial of the ketogenic diet with a non-diet control[16], nearly 38% of the children and young people had half or fewer seizures with the diet compared 6% with the group not assigned to the diet. Two large trials of the Modified Atkins Diet compared to a non-diet control had similar results, with over 50% of children having half or fewer seizures with the diet compared to around 10% in the control group.[2]
The trick to working with coconut flour is accepting the fact that it requires a lot of eggs to give it structure and a decent consistency. It can be a little shocking to see half a dozen to a dozen eggs in a recipe, but as you try it out, you will see that it works. The end results are rarely too eggy or rubbery. You will also be surprised to see how little coconut flour is used in most recipes. It’s incredibly dense, but expands remarkably with the added eggs and liquid, so you typically only need about a third of the amount you would need with conventional flour or nut flours.
If you enjoy flaked cereal, grab a box of Special K Protein from your grocer’s shelves. A ¾-cup serving has 19 grams of carbohydrate, and it’s sweetened with both sugar and sucralose. Natural food stores may carry Julian Bakery Paleo Coconut Flakes, which has no added sweeteners and contains only three ingredients – coconut meat, coconut water and palm starch – and 14 grams of carbs per 1-ounce serving. Hi-Lo cereal, original flavor, which can be ordered online, contains only 13 carb grams per ½ cup and gets its sweetness from evaporated cane juice.
Protein can turn into carbohydrates via a metabolic process called gluconeogenesis (making new carbs) and will do in people at varying degrees. Protein turning into carbohydrates means you’re not in ketosis. However, this is generally an overblown statement that only happens at the extreme cases when you are drinking a lot of liquid protein shakes. 
A ketogenic diet helps control blood sugar levels. It is excellent for managing type 2 diabetes, sometimes even leading to complete reversal of the disease. This has been proven in studies. It makes perfect sense since keto lowers blood-sugar levels, reduces the need of medications and reduces the potentially negative impact of high insulin levels.
Carbs in fruits and veggies do count, but you don’t add up the carbs and sugar. Sugar is already included in the carbs – it’s just listed separately on labels because some people want to see a breakdown of how much of the carbs are sugars (versus other, complex carbs). If it says 2g carbs and 2g sugar, it means there is 2g total carbs and all of them are sugar (in this case).
There are so many tricks, shortcuts, and gimmicks out there on achieving optimal ketosis – I’d suggest you don’t bother with any of that. Optimal ketosis can be accomplished through dietary nutrition alone (aka just eating food). You shouldn’t need a magic pill to do it. Just stay strict, remain vigilant, and be focused on recording what you eat (to make sure your carb and protein intake are correct).
2. Raygan, F., Bahmani, F., Kouchaki, E., Aghadavod, E., Sharifi, S., Akbari, E., . . . Asemi, Z. (2016). Comparative effects of carbohydrate versus fat restriction on metabolic profiles, biomarkers of inflammation and oxidative stress in overweight patients with Type 2 diabetic and coronary heart disease: A randomized clinical trial. PMID: 28607566 
OMG these are out of this world! I did the same recipe except I didn’t add the cinnamon. I added orange zest and cranberries. I did a cream cheese icing with swerve and more orange zest. Absolutely wonderful. Thank you for your recipe! I’m happy I can make that occasional treat to curb off those sweet craving without completely falling off the keto wagon.
Almond flour is a great low carb pasta alternative. It contains 1.6 grams of carbohydrates and 1.6 grams of dietary fiber, resulting in zero net carbs[*]. White, bleached, enriched flour contains over 76 grams of total carbohydrates with only 2 grams of fiber[*]. Almonds are also an excellent source of healthy fats, vitamin E, manganese and magnesium[*].

This is such a great addition to breakfast. With that said I tweaked it a bit by adding a bit more butter and vanilla. After cooling I pressed it into a spring-form pan to use for a cheese cake, end result was great. Guests couldn’t believe their desert was carb free gluten free. I think the possibilities for this recipe is endless, nuts, chocolate shavings or chunks my husband added cranraisins. Thank you so much for posting.
Elisabeth Almekinder, a certified CDE and expert in Diabetes Self-Management Education Program, grew up in a small town in the piedmont of NC. During her time at St. Andrews Presbyterian College, she developed a love of writing and obtained a BA in English. After obtaining her nursing degree, her first job out of school was on the vascular surgery floor, where she saw many people with diabetes lose their limbs. She worked as an RN for 22 years in public health in South Carolina. In her spare time away from educating people about diabetes, she continues her passion by writing about diabetes.
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The classic ketogenic diet is not a balanced diet and only contains tiny portions of fresh fruit and vegetables, fortified cereals, and calcium-rich foods. In particular, the B vitamins, calcium, and vitamin D must be artificially supplemented. This is achieved by taking two sugar-free supplements designed for the patient's age: a multivitamin with minerals and calcium with vitamin D.[18] A typical day of food for a child on a 4:1 ratio, 1,500 kcal (6,300 kJ) ketogenic diet comprises three small meals and three small snacks:[28]
In the absence of CHO, however, the body must shift to fat as the primary energy source. In this case, the body catabolizes stored triglycerides, which exist in abundance in even the leanest individual. In effect, the KD provokes a physiological stimulus, i.e., CHO restriction, that mimics starvation. Due to the limited ability to store or produce CHO during periods of starvation, the body thus switches to ketogenesis, the production of ketone bodies as a primary fuel source (3).
A study with an intent-to-treat prospective design was published in 1998 by a team from the Johns Hopkins Hospital[20] and followed-up by a report published in 2001.[21] As with most studies of the ketogenic diet, no control group (patients who did not receive the treatment) was used. The study enrolled 150 children. After three months, 83% of them were still on the diet, 26% had experienced a good reduction in seizures, 31% had had an excellent reduction, and 3% were seizure-free.[Note 7] At 12 months, 55% were still on the diet, 23% had a good response, 20% had an excellent response, and 7% were seizure-free. Those who had discontinued the diet by this stage did so because it was ineffective, too restrictive, or due to illness, and most of those who remained were benefiting from it. The percentage of those still on the diet at two, three, and four years was 39%, 20%, and 12%, respectively. During this period, the most common reason for discontinuing the diet was because the children had become seizure-free or significantly better. At four years, 16% of the original 150 children had a good reduction in seizure frequency, 14% had an excellent reduction, and 13% were seizure-free, though these figures include many who were no longer on the diet. Those remaining on the diet after this duration were typically not seizure-free, but had had an excellent response.[21][22]
Goday A, Bellido D, Sajoux I, Crujeiras AB, Burguera B, García-Luna PP, Oleaga A, Moreno B, Casanueva FF. Short-term safety, tolerability and efficacy of a very low-calorie-ketogenic diet interventional weight loss program versus hypocaloric diet in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus. Nutr Diabetes. 2016 Sep 19;6(9):e230. [PMC free article: PMC5048014] [PubMed: 27643725]

To make cocoa puff balls (takes a LOT more time, but they’re REALLY fun): pinch a little thumbnail sized amount of dough and roll between your hands to form a ball. Place on the baking sheet. Bake for 8 minutes, then take baking sheet from oven and carefully move the balls around so they cook on the other side. Place bake in the oven and cook another 5 minutes. Allow to cool and enjoy!
Most condiments below range from 0.5–2 net carb grams per 1–2 tablespoon serving. Check ingredient labels to make sure added sugar is not included, which will increase net carbs. (Stevia and erythritol will become your go-to sweeteners because neither raise your blood sugar — combine for a more natural sweet taste and, remember, a little goes a long way!)
Coconut flour is a low carbohydrate alternative to regular flour. A quarter cup serving contains 16 grams of carbohydrates, 10 grams of fiber, 4 grams of fat and 4 grams of protein for a total of 120 calories.  While it’s a bit higher in carbs compared to other low carb substitutes for flour, it makes up for it in texture. Its light appearance and consistency make it more absorbent than any other flours.
If you are a coconut lover you will really love this hot cereal in the morning. This is one of the best breakfast cereals you can have, especially on a colder day, as it gets you filled up and heated up at the same time. It has a rich coconut flavor which is complemented by the vanilla and is sweet enough to satisfy a sweet tooth, and with only two grams of carbs in each serving, it is definitely low.
I’m excited to try these 🙂 Love pasta but am low carb, so these look perfect. I have a suggestion for cutting – try using an herb cutting wheel (herb mincer), this would give long, thin pieces and uniform too. I also have a question – can I use a hand or stick blender? I have a Vitamix but hate that I always have to leave some bits behind b/c I can’t get it all out from the bottom (but I see the batter is thin, so this might not be a problem?)
Another difference between older and newer studies is that the type of patients treated with the ketogenic diet has changed over time. When first developed and used, the ketogenic diet was not a treatment of last resort; in contrast, the children in modern studies have already tried and failed a number of anticonvulsant drugs, so may be assumed to have more difficult-to-treat epilepsy. Early and modern studies also differ because the treatment protocol has changed. In older protocols, the diet was initiated with a prolonged fast, designed to lose 5–10% body weight, and heavily restricted the calorie intake. Concerns over child health and growth led to a relaxation of the diet's restrictions.[19] Fluid restriction was once a feature of the diet, but this led to increased risk of constipation and kidney stones, and is no longer considered beneficial.[18]
"Avoid inflammatory oils like safflower, sunflower, corn, or soybean oils and opt for whole food cereal or granolas with limited ingredients, which tend to be made from nuts, seeds and occasionally whole oats or puffed rice," says Kelly LeVeque, RD, a celebrity nutritionist who works with Jennifer Garner and Jessica Alba, and author of Body Love. One of her faves: This grain-free granola from Thrive Market, which has a blissfully short ingredient list but tons of flavor.

The American Heart Association recommends eating six to eight servings of grains every day, which is a lot of carbohydrates. But whole grains also contain a lot of fiber, which is the basis for the recommendation. Fiber is bulky and slow to digest, so you feel full longer after a high-fiber meal. Fiber also aids in healthy elimination, which can keep you feeling – and looking – less bloated and sluggish. People who eat a high-fiber diet are at a lower risk for heart disease, strokes and certain types of cancers because fiber helps you avoid the insulin spikes that occur when you eat starchy carbs. Fiber also helps control your cholesterol levels.


The ketogenic diet is an incredibly powerful tool that can be wonderfully effective in treating a variety of health issues facing modern society. By allowing the body to burn fat for fuel, the ketogenic diet can not only lead to sustainable weight loss, but it actually pushes the body to use an alternative and potentially superior fuel source. If you are just starting a ketogenic diet, use the tips outlined above and stick with it; it can be a challenging transition, but there are many, many benefits of long-term adherence to this diet.

To make squares: Place dough on a piece of parchment paper, with a second piece of parchment on top. Using a rolling pin, roll the dough into a thin and even layer about 1/4-1/8” thick. Remove the top piece of parchment paper. Using a pizza cutter, cut into small squares (about 1”). Bake in the oven for 5 minutes, then take baking sheet from oven and carefully break up the squares (so they’re no longer connected). Bake for another 7 minutes. Allow to cool and enjoy!
Ground psyllium husk powder is 100% pulverized psyllium husk shells and is used to give a bread-like texture to what you’re baking. Due to its high fiber content it’s often sold as a laxative which can be good to know if you have a sensitive digestive system. When adding it to a liquid it turns into a gel-like substance. It works a bit like gluten in traditional baking, and makes it possible to handle the dough when rolling or shaping it.

Wondering what fits into a keto diet — and what doesn’t? “It’s so important to know what foods you’ll be eating before you start, and how to incorporate more fats into your diet,” says Kristen Mancinelli, RD, author of The Ketogenic Diet: A Scientifically Proven Approach to Fast, Healthy Weight Loss, who is based in New York City. We asked her for some guidelines.
Hi Brenda, I have been gathering your recipes on Pinterest for a while. I had weight loss surgery, have been maintaining my weight loss for over 3 years now. However the sugar addiction is real, and although I am thin now I just don’t feel healthy! I eat healthy for the most part but a lot of chocolate and pastries when the kids are in bed! I have been researching Keto not only for me, but my 9 year old son as well. I am worried about his weight, he is very husky,and I am scared that he will struggle with the weight and health problems I struggled with for years as he gets older. I have read many good things about keto for kids, and not just for weight loss. I have tried a low carb high protein diet with him but after reading about macros and counting protein and calories, realized I had been doing it wrong. What are your thoughts on children being on a keto diet?

I have a question. Firstly, thank you for the recipe. I really enjoyed the mug cake. But, I am a bit confused about carb content. The nutritional information for the cake says 1 mug cake has 4 net carbs. But 2 tablespoon of erythritol has 24 carbs, plus the carbs from almond flour, egg etc. Then how is it 4 net carbs? Sorry for bothering you but I am on a 20 carb Keto diet and I really need to know if I overdid it on the carbs. Thank you!


I have spent weeks reading and learning about the Keto diet plan, downloading random recipes that my husband might even try, and have been overwhelmed with all the information. I was pleased to find your system and how organized everything seems to be. The only question I have is will I be able to “temporarily suspend” my subscription if I find there are more recipes than I have time to prepare. I want to only do about 3 per week and repeat them as leftovers, since I have very little time after working a 12-hour shift, to do much cooking. Once I “catch up,” I would reinstate my subscription. Is that an option? Looking forward to trying out your program.
Maya, I think what you are doing is brilliant. I am a 70-year old professional woman, educator and coach. I’ve grown our family vegetables every summer since I can remember. However, health conscious 20 or 30 years ago is a far different scenario today. Until I started having digestive issues about 5 years ago, I figured I was in the “above average” category of healthy eating.
I was a vread and sweet person as well. Once you start you will not believe that you don’t crave those things. It was not hard as I thought but what helped with the lack of cravings is starting my day with the coffee, ghee and tablespoon of coconut/mct oil. I don’t do heavey cream . Once you begin youll see thats the least worry you will have. You can do it
By the way, I love how simple this recipe is! I love that it uses whole eggs instead of separated since I’m really bad at separating the yolks from the whites, and if you use more whites than yolks then you have to find another use for the yolks and it’s a pain in the neck. I went keto on summer last year and when I decided to start baking my own bread and went looking for almond flour bread recipes, I chose this one for its simplicity
Dr. Perlmutter is the leading integrative medicine neurologist in North America today. His ability to fully integrate conventional medicine diagnosis and treatment with the latest innovations in nutritional and environmental medicine is phenomenal. As a teacher and clinician, he has fundamentally changed how physicians and patients think about neurological degeneration and, happily, regeneration.
Things have changed. I discovered Keto a year ago, and it has made a significant improvement in my health – WHEN I follow it. It’s not that easy sometimes. I need inspiration and support, as we all do. I know this is your business but it also seems like a life mission. Some days when I am tempted to consume stuff that I know will make me feel bad later, I think of you and all the resources you provide and all the good stuff that will make me feel more energetic, alive, and able to do my part in the world.
"Avoid inflammatory oils like safflower, sunflower, corn, or soybean oils and opt for whole food cereal or granolas with limited ingredients, which tend to be made from nuts, seeds and occasionally whole oats or puffed rice," says Kelly LeVeque, RD, a celebrity nutritionist who works with Jennifer Garner and Jessica Alba, and author of Body Love. One of her faves: This grain-free granola from Thrive Market, which has a blissfully short ingredient list but tons of flavor.
For cavatelli: cut dough into 4 pieces, roll out into even-sized logs and slice off even-sized pieces. This will ensure evenly-sized pasta. Lightly dust the board and pasta pieces with coconut flour. Place a piece on the board and using a knife press the dough towards you, angling the knife tip upwards as you press (see post for gif images), making the pasta curl into shape. 

Like any other fad diet, you can lose weight and see some positive results in the short term, but what effect does a low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet have on your long-term health? Recent research published by The Lancet studied the eating patterns of more than 15,400 adults in the U.S. and another 432,000 people around the world. Researchers found that restricted carbohydrate levels replaced or supplemented by animal-based protein and fat sources could lead to a higher risk of premature death.
Taste is quite eggy; I have issues with the smell and taste of eggs (I usually hurl immediately). I was hoping this would be more noodle than egg 🙁 This being said; I simmered it in a broth (2 pkgs beef OXO, 2 tsps garlic powder, 1/2 tsp pepper; 1/8 tsp sirracha; 2 tsps oregano and about 2 a cup and half of water). Then I added some shaved beef that I had fried with orions and garlic – Like a makeshift PHO; Its tastes pretty amazing; but I can still only eat it in little bis because the noodles are still quite eggy :/ I would NOT make this recipe without a silicone mat and don’t spread the mixture all the way to the edges if the mat fits your Ian exactly or it will run under it as the mixture is VERY thin, definetly not the traditional sense of “batter”. I cooked for exactly 5 mins, it will look like it isn’t done, but trust the recepie, it is done. I used a spatula to slowly peel it off piece by piece; there was quite a bit of breakage, so don’t expect to get long noodles, but if you are careful you can definetly get a decent noodle. Overall a good recipe, just not one for someone who doesn’t particularly like eggs.
The primary outcome, hemoglobin A1c, decreased from 7.5 ± 1.4% at baseline to 6.3 ± 1.0% at week 16 (p < 0.001), a 1.2% absolute decrease and a 16% relative decrease (Table ​(Table4).4). All but two participants (n = 19 or 90%) had a decrease in hemoglobin A1c (Figure ​(Figure1).1). The absolute decrease in hemoglobin A1c was at least 1.0% in 11 (52%) participants. The relative decrease in hemoglobin A1c from baseline was greater than 10% in 14 (67%) participants, and greater than 20% in 6 (29%) participants. In regression analyses, the change in hemoglobin A1c was not predicted by the change in body weight, waist circumference, or percent body fat at 16 weeks (all p > 0.05).
The main limitations of our study are its small sample size, short duration, and lack of control group. That the main outcome, hemoglobin A1c, improved significantly despite the small sample size and short duration of follow-up speaks to the dramatic and consistent effect of the LCKD on glycemia. For other effects, however, such as the rises in serum LDL and HDL cholesterol, the small sample size might be the reason statistical significance was not reached. Future studies of larger samples and containing a control group are needed to better address questions about the effect of the LCKD on serum lipids in patients with type 2 diabetes.
Besides having the benefits mentioned above, if you really want to make sure you are in ketosis I would suggest buying a glucometer which is a blood test. A simple prick on your finger using ketone strips to measure. Anywhere from 0.5 and up means you are most likely keto adapted. It’s definitely not cheap but it is the most accurate measurement. There are other methods as well, like using urine ketone strips but not as accurate I don’t feel. There is also a breath ketone meter if you hate the blood pricking idea.
Everyone responds to different levels of carbs, fat, and protein differently. It’s not enough to just eat what you think is a low amount of carbohydrates. Your metabolic history, daily activities, or any other factor may mean you can only tolerate 25 grams of carbs per day before getting kicked out of ketosis whereas someone else can tolerate up to 100 grams of carbs per day.
Once you start eating this very low amount of carbs, you’re body will become keto adapted. You are starving it from the carbs therefore it needs to find a source of fuel. When you’re in ketosis, your body will no longer have the carbs it once used to fuel your body. It will have to resort to using your own body fat for fuel. This is amazing because you’ll lose body fat if that was your goal and many other benefits you’ll see below.
I made 2 mugs of this recipe tonight. I made my husbands with 2 squares of Ghirardelli 100% cacao. I made mine with 1 heaping Tbl. of unsweetened baking cocoa and 3 TBL of sweetener (instead of 2Tbl) the remaining ingredients were added as the recipe called for. Hands down, the cake made with the baking coca had a better texture and flavor. We will definitely make it again whenever we need a chocolate fix. Thanks for sharing.
This is such a great addition to breakfast. With that said I tweaked it a bit by adding a bit more butter and vanilla. After cooling I pressed it into a spring-form pan to use for a cheese cake, end result was great. Guests couldn’t believe their desert was carb free gluten free. I think the possibilities for this recipe is endless, nuts, chocolate shavings or chunks my husband added cranraisins. Thank you so much for posting.
I have only been on a Keto diet for a couple of weeks, but I have found some great recipes on your site and have loved them all! Today I made these donuts and then frosted them with your Low Carb Keto Cream cheese frosting. I followed both recipes exactly as written and had great results. Thanks so much! I thought I would never be able to give up sweets, but now I do not have to and I am so relieved.
Carolyn Ketchum writes All Day I Dream About Food, a food blog that focuses primarily on low carb, gluten free recipes. She has a Masters in Physical Anthropology and Human Evolution from Arizona State University and has an extensive background in higher education administration. She currently lives in the Boston area with her husband and three children. You can check out her experiments with low carb baking at All Day I Dream About Food.
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If you are a coconut lover you will really love this hot cereal in the morning. This is one of the best breakfast cereals you can have, especially on a colder day, as it gets you filled up and heated up at the same time. It has a rich coconut flavor which is complemented by the vanilla and is sweet enough to satisfy a sweet tooth, and with only two grams of carbs in each serving, it is definitely low.
This fennel and ginger granola is not only grain-free sugar-free and keto, but it is also totally unlike the flavor of any other cereal I have tried. You get a warming heat from the ginger and a fresh flavor from the aniseed fennel, giving this cereal a unique taste. You can use this recipe as a base to let you experiment with different ingredients to give different flavors and textures.

Shirataki noodles: These plant-based noodles are also called yam noodles or konnyaku. Since the noodles are almost entirely fiber, they add hardly any calories or carbs to your meal. Shirataki noodles come packaged in liquid and are ready to eat—all you need to do is give them a quick rinse. If you don’t want to eat them cold, you can easily heat them up, but they don’t require cooking.

I know I know, you’re reading the directions and you’re annoyed that you have to cut each and every ¾ inch square out and transfer it to a pan because WHO HAS TIME FOR THAT. But I am here to tell you that YOU HAVE TIME FOR IT because the end result is cereal that fancy-person-you made yourself, which is going to make you feel very elite and accomplished because WHO DOES THAT?


Anticonvulsants suppress epileptic seizures, but they neither cure nor prevent the development of seizure susceptibility. The development of epilepsy (epileptogenesis) is a process that is poorly understood. A few anticonvulsants (valproate, levetiracetam and benzodiazepines) have shown antiepileptogenic properties in animal models of epileptogenesis. However, no anticonvulsant has ever achieved this in a clinical trial in humans. The ketogenic diet has been found to have antiepileptogenic properties in rats.[56]


Out of 63 comments so far, only 3 people actually said that they tried the recipe, and only one of those rated it. Yet there were 16 other ratings from 3 to 5 stars from folks who didn’t make the recipe but weighed in to ask a question or say some form of “these look great, I’ll have to try this”. And there were 10 questions about using some particular thing or other to replace the gluten, even though it was clearly spelled out from the beginning that nothing could be used as a substitute. Yes, you are a saint, lol!
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